Popular music and classical music was one thing up until around 1920. Let’s put it more concretely: 1911, when atonality started. And then you have wonderful pop composers that were still steeped in a classical tradition, people like Gershwin, Cole Porter. Cole Porter, wonderful composer. I love Cole Porter.
‘And then classical music became impossible to understand, with the twelve tones, and with the set theories and all of this . . . the layman couldn’t understand it. And pop music became, on the other extreme, too simple, no counterpoint; no involved melodies. And I think this relationship between the pop and the classical is very important because it’s the memories. You get your memories not only from the great music but from the simple pop tunes. Schubert wrote waltzes, which are gorgeous melodies, and they somehow stay with you. Or Cole Porter’s and Gershwin’s, Frank Loesser. And I think when that went . . . You get two extremes and separation.’
‘And a separation between professional and amateur as well?’
‘That’s right, exactly. So the amateur can’t pick out the tune in any modern music, so they feel lost from the contemporary scene. Even the professional musician can’t, and so there’s a disparateness. When you try to play classical music you get into a ghetto. Some solutions people have suggested, like a performer should wear a lounge suit, they’re superficial. The problem is the language . . . I don’t know if it can be fixed, but we’ve broken down the language between pop and classical. And this has resulted in a rigidness; there’s become a metronomisation instead of free tempi – a kind of rigid aspect to classical music that, I think, is destructive to it. This idea of perfection that comes with recording is a very annoying one, but it’s a deeper thing.